H-W-The Real Story

For everyone that remembers H-W, the battle that fractured the "southern coalition" and turned it into a disaster.

Compare these logs to the rushed and awkward plan that was actually implemented. 6VDT was a success for the NC in operational implementation. It failed in that IT already had most of its assets out, it succeeded in that they managed to lock down the system 23/7 for several days. Thats how H-W was supposed to jave been... but it was rushed and everyone knows the results. Here are logs from North Command, where it was originally discussed.

[ 2010.05.07 06:46:50 ] paik > honestly I want us all to take every super we have drop it in H-W
[ 2010.05.07 06:46:55 ] paik > SBU that shit
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:04 ] paik > and beg NC to do something
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:09 ] Perseus Kallistratos > agree
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:17 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and camp system 23/7
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:38 ] paik > go in surprise
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:45 ] paik > take out some small towers
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:55 ] paik > get stagers up for each alliance
[ 2010.05.07 06:48:01 ] paik > drop SBUS
[ 2010.05.07 06:48:12 ] paik > camp the fuck out of the station 23/7
[ 2010.05.07 06:48:39 ] paik > we wanna get some shit done we just gotta go balls deep
[ 2010.05.07 06:49:22 ] paik > thats my thoughts at least
[ 2010.05.07 06:51:34 ] Kraken Kill > a cta soon
[ 2010.05.07 06:51:41 ] paik > 1.5 hours
[ 2010.05.07 06:51:57 ] paik > Teimo    Planet: 10Moon: 1    D:2010-05-07T:09:16:00
[ 2010.05.07 06:52:07 ] Kraken Kill > atlas mail is for 0830
[ 2010.05.07 06:52:13 ] paik > same
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:15 ] Perseus Kallistratos > well paik
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if thats how you wanna roll I'm in
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:31 ] Perseus Kallistratos > alhtough I ain't a big boss I'm just a small fish
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:38 ] paik > I think thats how we gotta do it
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:39 ] Perseus Kallistratos > but it makes sense
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:48 ] Kraken Kill > a big old counter hotdrop?
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we fill up system, camp the fuck outta undock... anyone undocking can't even load before we smoke their shit
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:59 ] paik > we've all been pussyfooting around so far
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:04 ] Soho Torres > i dont see us campin h-w lol
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:10 ] Soho Torres > wont happen
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:15 ] Kraken Kill > camping is boring
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:19 ] Kraken Kill > setup a counter hotdrop
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:19 ] Soho Torres > thier number still to stront
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:26 ] Soho Torres > strong
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:33 ] Perseus Kallistratos > load up system to the point anyone extra can't get in
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:42 ] paik > soho we drop in 70 titans and 100 supercarriers + all the other shit we can field and GAME OVER
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:44 ] Soho Torres > "all u have to do
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:45 ] Soho Torres > is get
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:50 ] Soho Torres > lol
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > it would be the kinda rally morale booster that we have been lacking
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:54 ] Soho Torres > game over for one day
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:04 ] Soho Torres > u wont pull that for 3 station rf timers
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:06 ] paik > game over every day we do it
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:12 ] Soho Torres > lol
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:13 ] Soho Torres > ok
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:14 ] Perseus Kallistratos > atlast did it to RA constantly
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:24 ] Perseus Kallistratos > when we took insmother
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:26 ] Chemicals > yeah we used to do it all the tiem
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:32 ] Soho Torres > this is not ra
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:39 ] Perseus Kallistratos > its worse
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:41 ] Soho Torres > this is the nc of shit tons of alliances and numbers
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:47 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they have kula kain
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:59 ] Chemicals > if only we could just murder them in every system period at once
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:00 ] paik > well the ADHD people will just have to take some ridilin and not get distracted
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:02 ] Soho Torres > u guys not bein seriouse...
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:13 ] Perseus Kallistratos > soho look at current mechanics
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:20 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if we load up 500-600 in system
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:26 ] Perseus Kallistratos > any fleet trying to load it is fucked
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:51 ] Soho Torres > they will already be in sys lol
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:52 ] paik > we take 1-2 major symbols from them and the momentum swings are way
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:57 ] Soho Torres > u wont keep 500 people in sys
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:03 ] Perseus Kallistratos > why not?
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:05 ] paik > why not?
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:11 ] Soho Torres > it wont happen
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:13 ] paik > AAA kept 350 in d-g
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:15 ] Soho Torres > u can try
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:26 ] Soho Torres > but will make us look stupid
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:26 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if you give the troops a flag
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:29 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they will rally
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:37 ] Perseus Kallistratos > right now its fucking depressing
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:38 ] paik > we already look stupid
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:43 ] Soho Torres > well
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:53 ] Soho Torres > if we were all in smae place
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:58 ] paik > we got 20k guys up here and can barely break sov in a side system
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:58 ] Soho Torres > and formed properly
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:00 ] Perseus Kallistratos > I mean I love taking ceptor gangs in there and screwing with them, but thats all we're doing
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:02 ] Soho Torres > would have killed nc gang tonight
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:18 ] Soho Torres > "we dont work together"
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:24 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we could
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:25 ] Soho Torres > liek nc does
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:32 ] Perseus Kallistratos > camping a system to shit doesn't take a lot of effort
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:39 ] Soho Torres > everyone has thier own fc own gangs
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:46 ] Soho Torres > own objectives
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:50 ] paik > and if we did we would use our strengths " OUR EPIC AMOUNT OF SUPERS"
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:52 ] Perseus Kallistratos > thats a single bojective
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:56 ] Perseus Kallistratos > hold system
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:01 ] Perseus Kallistratos > keep people logged on as long as possible
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:03 ] Soho Torres > well
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:04 ] Soho Torres > i know
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:09 ] Soho Torres > if we ahve 15 tits
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:11 ] Soho Torres > in fio1
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:14 ] Soho Torres > already loaded
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:18 ] Soho Torres > they wouldnt do shit
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > Soho = Negative Nancy
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:24 ] paik > and go drop 70 tits etc into a system and be like " Yo NC warpin and lose 150 bil in the first 30 secs"
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:27 ] Soho Torres > no
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:37 ] Soho Torres > i am doin what we have been capible of
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:49 ] Perseus Kallistratos > you have crap numbers soho. you and I both know it.
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:51 ] Soho Torres > we wont get 70 tits lol
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:52 ] paik > im not jabbin at anyone
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:53 ] Perseus Kallistratos > not because you are bad
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:00 ] Perseus Kallistratos > because people are not loggin in as much
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:06 ] Soho Torres > i have bad numbers?
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:11 ] paik > soho AAA has 25 in aunennen by itself
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:14 ] Perseus Kallistratos > for multi alliance gang we have bad numbers
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:26 ] Soho Torres > my corp always has 100% in gang i dont lead russian gangs cant speak russian
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:26 ] Perseus Kallistratos > USTZ isn't as horrendous as people make it out to be
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > I'm not insulting your corp bro
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > i'm saying IT -A- Atlas Init... all have a slow decline especialy in USTZ
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:09 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we got our shit handed to us using bad tactics early in the war
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:23 ] Soho Torres > well people can sit in here bragging what they want to do and think they can do
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:26 ] Soho Torres > instead
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:38 ] Soho Torres > start out by everyone moveing to one place
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:45 ] Kraken Kill > anyway
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:47 ] Soho Torres > then we can talk about what we can do
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:51 ] Kraken Kill > so whats the plan and objective
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:00 ] Kraken Kill > we all staging close to each other now
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:05 ] Soho Torres > get everyone to one place
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:09 ] Soho Torres > not close enough
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:13 ] Soho Torres > u in low sec
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:19 ] Soho Torres > liek 16 jumps from x-7
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:23 ] Kraken Kill > which place do you want us to stage
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:31 ] Soho Torres > x-7 roir or 5zxx
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:04 ] Kraken Kill > what happens when we get there
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:24 ] Kraken Kill > whats the objective
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:26 ] Soho Torres > we start by sbuing something like p-2
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:34 ] Soho Torres > see what we can do
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:43 ] Soho Torres > hot drop tjhier caps
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:46 ] Soho Torres > liek they have been doin
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:55 ] Soho Torres > after that goes by what happends
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:13 ] Perseus Kallistratos > u missed Paik's and my point
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:19 ] Soho Torres > every day / night been hotdroping 5-10 tits
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:27 ] Soho Torres > we not been doin anythign about it
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:42 ] Kraken Kill > we could form up dictors and supercaps one night then
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:46 ] Kraken Kill > try to hide them somewhere
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:48 ] Chemicals > I'd like to kill those tits personally
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > people here "we taking H-W massive fleet stay logged in" people log on, stay on, drink red bul etc.
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:52 ] Chemicals > we can decap their supercaps
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:55 ] Chemicals > = wintown
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:02 ] Soho Torres > u not goin to hide them
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:07 ] Soho Torres > i think we have more spies then
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:09 ] Soho Torres > nc does
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:15 ] Kraken Kill > how do we do a hotdrop on their tits then
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > you here yeah we have a CTA this time this night, people go meh, I may be able to do this but I might ahe to walk the dog
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:21 ] Kraken Kill > they wont drop if we have something formed
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:22 ] Chemicals > just fucking kill them
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:25 ] Soho Torres > egven if we cant hotdrop them
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:29 ] Soho Torres > make sure they cant use them
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:35 ] Soho Torres > liek tonight
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:39 ] Chemicals > go for the jugular and stop playing sissy pants bond games
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > soho. if we have system loaded they can't drop titans for fear of losing them
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:50 ] Chemicals > if they cant take our our superblob it doesnt make a difference.
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > thats the point
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:00 ] Chemicals > if they know where it is
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:02 ] Chemicals > or not
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:07 ] Darth Dread > im glad most of the posters here have nothing to say:P
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:13 ] Soho Torres > thats what i just dsaid
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:26 ] Perseus Kallistratos > you keep massive fleet in system you already win
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:40 ] Perseus Kallistratos > any counter offensive will fail, due to Dominion mechanics
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:44 ] Chemicals > Big penis > many small penises
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:45 ] Soho Torres > thats what this retarted game is about
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:54 ] Perseus Kallistratos > people will rally to this game due to the epic nature of the op
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:07 ] Perseus Kallistratos > rather than another damn pos shoot they may or may not make
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:27 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we need a moral vicotry now more than ever after losing the 5ZG station battle by 5 min
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:39 ] Kraken Kill > so p-2 then
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:41 ] Kraken Kill > when
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:53 ] Soho Torres > well
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:55 ] Chemicals > http://img43.imageshack.us/i/titantokill1.jpg/
[ 2010.05.07 07:10:00 ] Soho Torres > u dont even know if u can move here yet lol
[ 2010.05.07 07:10:10 ] Kraken Kill > we are in aunenen
[ 2010.05.07 07:10:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > why P-2?
[ 2010.05.07 07:11:35 ] Perseus Kallistratos > I'm not disagreeing just curious
[ 2010.05.07 07:11:42 ] Soho Torres > easy to take
[ 2010.05.07 07:11:54 ] Kraken Kill > we can bridge to x-7 from aunenen anytime
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:07 ] Soho Torres > yea but if we form
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:07 ] Kraken Kill > so i cant see it being an issue not being in x-7, we are in range for tits here
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:14 ] Soho Torres > and some of u die
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:17 ] Soho Torres > u need to get on tit
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:19 ] Soho Torres > and u need cyno
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:22 ] Soho Torres > and all that shit
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:32 ] Kraken Kill > cynos shouldnt be an issue
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:45 ] Soho Torres > lol nvm not seeing my point
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:49 ] paik > Cry Havoc = 20 supers
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:55 ] paik > Evoke 20
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:00 ] paik > AAA 50
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:03 ] paik > IT 50
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:06 ] paik > ROL 30
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:10 ] paik > Atlas 50
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:18 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ^^
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:19 ] paik > INIT 20
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:21 ] paik > COW 20
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:31 ] paik > Dead Terrorist 20
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:36 ] paik > White Noise 30
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:41 ] paik > CO2 10
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:52 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if we stay loaded, call in sick to work, drink red bull, euros stay on late USTZ stays on late because they all hear " we are gonna fuckin take this fuckin station system fuck yeah" your numbers will magically grow
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:12 ] paik > it dont matter the first day is the hardest
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:13 ] Darth Dread > did fio went badly?
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:24 ] paik > hub rf'd
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:27 ] paik > sbu dead
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:31 ] paik > station repped
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:42 ] paik > they brought caps we couldnt counter
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:43 ] Darth Dread > when does hub comes out?
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:51 ] Kraken Kill > pick a day and a time for P-2, give a few days notice
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:56 ] Darth Dread > if hub dies the tcu dies too:P
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:59 ] Perseus Kallistratos > keep it hush hush though
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:00 ] Kraken Kill > and we can see what caps and sup caps we can get
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:06 ] Perseus Kallistratos > until D-Day
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:06 ] Kraken Kill > and we all get them into system and stay there
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:11 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ^^
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:20 ] paik > fuckin Burn Eden has 15 supers and they want to use them
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:49 ] paik > Satan said if we go balls deep in h-w or elsewhere he will toss his supers into the pot
[ 2010.05.07 07:16:35 ] Perseus Kallistratos > well
[ 2010.05.07 07:16:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > any station vicotry would be a good one
[ 2010.05.07 07:16:49 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and keep this war moving
[ 2010.05.07 07:16:56 ] paik > imo this is how I would play it
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:03 ] paik > take a friday
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:12 ] Perseus Kallistratos > it makes for a make or break situation
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:21 ] paik > send a BS fleet to m-o to incap jammer
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:25 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and lets be honest. what do the NC FCs count on more than anything?
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:36 ] Perseus Kallistratos > numbers
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:54 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if you take that away by being in the system first... you will see them lose entire fleets on jump in
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:07 ] paik > Somene please tell me the last time they lost a even numbered fight against the NC?
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:20 ] Perseus Kallistratos > /emote thinks...
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:22 ] paik > anyone?
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:26 ] paik > anyone?
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:30 ] paik > Buehler?
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:42 ] Chemicals > I cannot recall ever losing to the nc
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:48 ] Darth Dread > atlas
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:55 ] Darth Dread > not loading:P
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:00 ] Perseus Kallistratos > exactly
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:08 ] paik > so a D-Day attack
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:09 ] Chemicals > just going flacid and losing interest however.
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:14 ] Darth Dread > i blame booby
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:17 ] paik > take down offline place holders
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:23 ] paik > get some stagers up
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:23 ] Perseus Kallistratos > Kula Kain will try and jump in a fleet and then curse CCP out over comms for an hour after he loses them all
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:45 ] paik > drop SBUs
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:58 ] paik > nuke bridges & jammer so they cant put it up
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:15 ] paik > like 100 bubble station
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > the moment that first cyno pops and you know their caps/supercaps are coming in you get there and throw everything on it.
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:37 ] Perseus Kallistratos > you may lose a few but you rape it
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:43 ] paik > ^^ Balls Deep
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:53 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they scratch their heads for a day
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > try again
[ 2010.05.07 07:21:00 ] Perseus Kallistratos > die...
[ 2010.05.07 07:21:12 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and our guys are pumped to hell at this point and are logging in every spare second of the day
[ 2010.05.07 07:21:21 ] paik > sit titans in a closed room in TS
[ 2010.05.07 07:21:32 ] paik > ready to login trap anytime they try to do something
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:06 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ^^ balls fuckin deep
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:15 ] paik > I just think fuck it
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:17 ] Perseus Kallistratos > what is the worse that happens? we lose?
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:18 ] paik > its a game
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:29 ] paik > we came up here to beat these bitches up
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:29 ] Perseus Kallistratos > how can we lose?
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:37 ] paik > so why pussy foot
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:48 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we have superior FCs, we have superior compositions and we have superior pilots (average)
[ 2010.05.07 07:23:23 ] Perseus Kallistratos > with superior tactics ie owning the system before the engagement, we can do it
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:07 ] Kraken Kill > continue to rape lowsec techs and keep hitting other techs
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:16 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ?
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:19 ] Kraken Kill > plan a massive capital CTA for next weekend
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:23 ] Perseus Kallistratos > :)
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:32 ] Kraken Kill > and get as many supercaps in a system like p-2 or whereever
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:35 ] Kraken Kill > and sbu
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:44 ] paik > we will be here for the next 3 years trying to take all the NC's tech moons
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:57 ] paik > we arent gonna break the NC by them losing moons
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:03 ] Perseus Kallistratos > with that kind of prep and the knowledge that the NC has gotten (too) ballsy with their Supercap fleets you can count on some early supercap kills
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:04 ] Kraken Kill > hitting their tech is more effective than sbuing
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:06 ] paik > they got isk coming out there asss
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:28 ] Perseus Kallistratos > moons are fine, but they don't give your troops a moral victory
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:39 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and remember, this is a game and its supposed to be fun and make you happy
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:52 ] Kraken Kill > sbuing is fun?
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:58 ] Perseus Kallistratos > hitting a mooon you have taken 3x before is boring as shit to those that can't see the overall picture
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:14 ] Perseus Kallistratos > sbuing isn't fun in and of itself, but taking a station and owning it is a good thing
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:28 ] Kraken Kill > comunicate better to the 'troops' why you are hitting tech moons then
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:30 ] paik > MM & RZR arent PL or GOons
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:32 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and the kills you would get from dumbass fleet jump ins and caps are sexy
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:42 ] paik > they arent gonna cascade by losing moons
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:52 ] Perseus Kallistratos > [07:26:28] Kraken Kill > comunicate better to the 'troops' why you are hitting tech moons then
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:52 ] paik > to the avg member they dont mean shit
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they don't give a shit
[ 2010.05.07 07:27:02 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they are hear to have fun and play
[ 2010.05.07 07:27:08 ] Perseus Kallistratos > the moment that leaves... bad things happen
[ 2010.05.07 07:27:37 ] paik > as faggy as it sounds
[ 2010.05.07 07:27:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > i don't like it, but its a psychological thing
[ 2010.05.07 07:27:56 ] paik > we have to blob the NC a few times and take there sense of security
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:04 ] paik > and then accomplish something with said blob
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:14 ] paik > like taking a iconic system like h-w
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:17 ] Perseus Kallistratos > agreed
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:28 ] Kraken Kill > why havent you been able to take it so far
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:30 ] Chemicals > well I'm down with whatever
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:34 ] Perseus Kallistratos > NC are easily swayed psychologically. unfortunately... that has swung their why so far
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:43 ] Perseus Kallistratos > way*
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:55 ] Darth Dread > i wouldnt start with h-w straight
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:01 ] paik > Why Kraken because this multi-front shit isnt working
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:11 ] Darth Dread > just find a target for them to move out of tribute first
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:15 ] Darth Dread > take that
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:27 ] Perseus Kallistratos > P-2 would be a good start
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:28 ] paik > I think H-W is where the action is
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:29 ] Darth Dread > work on communications first on our site
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:47 ] Perseus Kallistratos > H-w would be awesome but P-2 is a practical way to start
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:49 ] paik > ok I can buy that
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:53 ] Darth Dread > they got 1000 basing out of that system
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:01 ] Darth Dread > with replacement ships
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:05 ] Darth Dread > if we lose a ship
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:13 ] Perseus Kallistratos > P-2 gives access, and has a station
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:13 ] Darth Dread > our ppl need move back replace it:P
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:14 ] paik > yeah and if those 1000 are bubbled in station
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:28 ] Darth Dread > the questio is
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:30 ] paik > or there caps
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:31 ] Perseus Kallistratos > also a good point
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:37 ] Darth Dread > can we keep them bubbled 7days?
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:39 ] Perseus Kallistratos > similar to NOL when goons dropped sov
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:43 ] paik > anyone remember PR-
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:50 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ^^
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:52 ] Darth Dread > u need for each allies 1tower minimum
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:57 ] paik > when your caps were stuck in station
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:02 ] Darth Dread > h-w has 100% moon covert i think
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:08 ] paik > and you couldnt do fuck all
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:21 ] paik > tons of offline small place holders
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:26 ] Perseus Kallistratos > yup
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:28 ] paik > if we went in D-DAY style
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > all capital alts in system
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:45 ] paik > we could rage siege a ton before they got em online
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > all bs alts in system as well
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:00 ] paik > enough for us all to put a dickstar up for staging
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:06 ] paik > and everytime they try to RF
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:11 ] paik > we do what PL did
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:21 ] paik > poke titans out and DD the shit out of them
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:28 ] Perseus Kallistratos > well... tbh
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:40 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if we do it right with numbers... brining in a fleet would be suicide for them
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:50 ] paik > yup
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:55 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we see cyno and like rabid dogs we go get it
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:58 ] paik > they would never make it out of station
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:12 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they see black screen we see targets
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:17 ] Perseus Kallistratos > Y-2ANO baby
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:30 ] Kraken Kill > pick a day and time
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:33 ] Kraken Kill > post cta mails
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:35 ] paik > and we got enough people on there comms to know when they are trying to break out
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:42 ] paik > thats not something you can hide
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and we have nothing to hide after d-day
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > negates the spy factor
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:11 ] Perseus Kallistratos > titans in closed seperate TS room
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:16 ] Perseus Kallistratos > supercarriers too
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:23 ] paik > login traps
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:28 ] paik > etc etc
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:34 ] Perseus Kallistratos > go big or go home
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:34 ] paik > just be faggy as hell
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:55 ] Kraken Kill > pick a time and day, and ship types, and location
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:55 ] Kraken Kill > and post cta mails
[ 2010.05.07 07:35:04 ] Kraken Kill > get some towers and sbus ready
[ 2010.05.07 07:35:15 ] Kraken Kill > sat or sunday or sometime next week
[ 2010.05.07 07:35:26 ] Kraken Kill > if you want a big turnout you need a couple of days notice at least
[ 2010.05.07 07:36:16 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we need to run it by Molle then
[ 2010.05.07 07:39:22 ] paik > I would fake that were gonna hit like p2 or m-o
[ 2010.05.07 07:39:30 ] paik > or somewhere there is a jammer
[ 2010.05.07 07:39:42 ] paik > send a BS fleet in to take down the jammer
[ 2010.05.07 07:39:50 ] paik > soon as NC respond and move
[ 2010.05.07 07:39:54 ] Perseus Kallistratos > bam
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:00 ] Perseus Kallistratos > just like d-day
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:01 ] paik > wham we drop everything into H-W
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:08 ] Kraken Kill > d-day?
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:16 ] Perseus Kallistratos > false intel
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:27 ] paik > go in bubble the station
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:34 ] paik > put a team on the bridges
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:38 ] Kraken Kill > its like theres a random commentry on plans trying to make
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:51 ] paik > put another team on cleaning up stager towers
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ?
[ 2010.05.07 07:41:01 ] Perseus Kallistratos > lots smalls offline in H-W
[ 2010.05.07 07:41:03 ] paik > drop the SBUs
[ 2010.05.07 07:41:32 ] paik > every alliance will need there own tower and Atlas IT AAA will need 2
[ 2010.05.07 07:41:53 ] paik > just for the shit ton of supers we will have to fit into them
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:07 ] Perseus Kallistratos > no passwords for anyone
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:10 ] Perseus Kallistratos > def
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:38 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and most importantly
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:41 ] Kraken Kill > how many small towers are offline there
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:47 ] paik > 20+
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:49 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we need a central channel for FCs from all alliances
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:59 ] Kraken Kill > isnt this it?
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:59 ] Perseus Kallistratos > not this one, but actual comms
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:07 ] Kraken Kill > the same TS?
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:09 ] Perseus Kallistratos > at least to start
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:25 ] Kraken Kill > atlas and -a- are on the same coms
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:28 ] paik > I say we decide on it this weekend
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:35 ] Perseus Kallistratos > yes we know you use the same comm
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:47 ] paik > and then spend next week getting everyone setup for the same comms
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:50 ] Perseus Kallistratos > but we all need to be on a secure vent or something
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:56 ] Kraken Kill > oh jeez
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:56 ] paik > and launch like next friday
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:15 ] paik > that way the first ihub comes on sunday
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > yes
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:37 ] Perseus Kallistratos > friday euro would probably be best
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > best numbers strongest time
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:56 ] paik > if we all rabble rabble
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:58 ] Perseus Kallistratos > red bull euros help buff ustz first night
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:04 ] paik > we will draw good numbers
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:05 ] Perseus Kallistratos > which will be the hardest
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:21 ] paik > Molle can sit his alt in the diversion system a few days before
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:31 ] Perseus Kallistratos > oh man that will do it
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:51 ] paik > plus the jammer take down
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:58 ] paik > will draw them out of h-w
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:05 ] Kraken Kill > is h-w jammed?
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:09 ] paik > nope
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:22 ] Perseus Kallistratos > P-2 can be our Pas De Calais
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:29 ] Kraken Kill > we gotta hit station services asap after we get staging pos down
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:34 ] Perseus Kallistratos > of course
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:36 ] Kraken Kill > they need to be down before the sbus come online
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:41 ] paik > if we could take h-w and then 15w we totally fuck them
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:58 ] Perseus Kallistratos > its a do or die moment
[ 2010.05.07 07:47:06 ] Perseus Kallistratos > cept we don't die... but they could
[ 2010.05.07 07:47:07 ] Kraken Kill > 3hs to take out services and enough small towers
[ 2010.05.07 07:47:46 ] paik > the moment we launch you just explain to people for the next XXX days they need to live online
[ 2010.05.07 07:48:03 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they wouldn't have the time to get formed up, specially with feint to P-2
[ 2010.05.07 07:48:14 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and much of their manpower/ships trapped in station
[ 2010.05.07 07:48:40 ] paik > as long as there dreads stay stuck in the station they are fucked
[ 2010.05.07 07:48:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they will try at least once to jump in caps into system... and we need to crush that one attempt
[ 2010.05.07 07:48:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > could kille a titan or supercarrier or two
[ 2010.05.07 07:49:07 ] Perseus Kallistratos > but the vicotry will be snatching their home system
[ 2010.05.07 07:49:10 ] Perseus Kallistratos > Pr-....
[ 2010.05.07 07:49:24 ] paik > I agree
[ 2010.05.07 07:49:36 ] paik > its about the boldest thing we can do
[ 2010.05.07 07:49:48 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and the one thing they are ill prepared to counter
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:07 ] Kraken Kill > will NC form for this tower
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:13 ] Kraken Kill > this morning
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:31 ] paik > im gonna get on my alt soon to find out
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:40 ] paik > if they get numbers like last night
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:42 ] paik > its lol
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:49 ] paik > they had 25 lastnight
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:59 ] paik > to our 105
[ 2010.05.07 07:53:04 ] Perseus Kallistratos > Gentleman, I have to get some sleep. Lets speek with our respective politicians and make this move happen.

Roaming Fountain

Last night I was able to get home from work a bit early and join up with a -A- roam.

First time with the alliance, and not as an FC. It was interesting to just sit back and relax without any responsibility.

That lasted all of about 15 minutes, until we hit Delve. At that point I made a friendly suggestion in fleet chat. "Hey FC, I am somewhat familiar with area, can I scout?"

I was in a Vagabond and got the go ahead, and off we went. Delve was pretty much empty, just some PL SBUs onlining in NOL-. We headed through the old -MVN- constellation, which was a ghost town. Into Fountain we went, and didn't see much action until we headed down the pipe to 6VDT. As the gang was trying to nail a ratter (TEST had tons of them out in cloaky Tengus) I jumped into JGOW- about 4 jumps in front of the gang. I warped to the out gate, trying to find any of the 4 neutrals (TEST) in local. One was a confirmed Rifter who was using bounce points, the others were ratters. I was about to try narrowing down the ratters when I had gate fire. So I waited...

After only a few seconds an Armageddon decloaks. I instantly locked and grabbed point, setting up a 15km orbit (with MWD it was about 21-22). Barrage was doing decent damage but my face turned into a smile when his yellow box went red.

No drones came out, so I turned off MWD and dropped orbit to 2.5k switching to Republic Fleet Fusion and started bringing the pain.

Gate fire... shit

Drake decloaked and my heart raced... until he warped off?

"Guys Drake inbound" I announced on comms. The fleet had started a speed run the moment I tackled the geddon and light tackle was about to hit the gate the Drake warped too.

Gate fire... now 5 neuts in system... Loki!

Uh oh.

Except he cloaked and dissapeared too. Man, these guys were hanging this guy out to dry.

Another gate fire... anothe Rifter. Guess what? Yeah he warped off too. I glanced to my tactical box and was surprised to see the Geddon dipping into structure. His fit explains it all.

Fleet popped the Drake and I moved ahead. I jumped into AL8, several neuts in local. Landing on the outgate with a Hurricane and Dramiel I sat there and waited.

Both immediately aggressed and I was webbed and scrammed by... the Dramiel? Cane was hitting me and my speed was pretty low but I was tanking it. I kept the Cane pointed, as the Dramiel (should have) would be able to burn away at a moments notice. I threw my Warrior IIs on the Dramiel and opened up on the Hurricane. At half shield and getting a little nervous, the first we tacklers jumped in from JGOW-. 1/4 shield and tacklers landed, bubbles up. Falcon jammed up the Cane and Scimitars bumped my shields back up. <3

Dramiel had been orbiting at 3.5k and continued to do so up until dying... oops. My Warrior IIs had been eating him away and he just stayed on field for too long. Hurricane died shortly after the Dramiel.. Both fits were amazing... ....

I continued down the pipe into B170. Several neuts in system, Deimos on scan. I held cloak and waited for about 10 seconds before, sure enough, a Deimos landed on gate. I broke cloak and pointed him, the gang was landing on the other side.

To my surprise, he started burning off and opened up. "guys hes aggressed" I announced. Fleet jumped in but only some got on the mail before the Deimos popped. At this point some of the guys were a little perturbed but I told them "Hey, I pointed him expecting him to be a smart pilot and jump through. Not my fault TEST aren't as smart as the average 0.0 pilot".

We moved into 6VDT and bubble rushed the system. Dictors in, bubbled ingress points and then we bounced local. About 2 minutes late an Abaddon warped into the waiting gang. Abaddon down.

Gang started moving down the 7BX pipe and I started out of the pipe towards APM-. In OW-TP0 I was sitting on the in gate, waiting for the gang to finish snooping around when I got gate fire.

I waited...

and waited....

and finally another Drake broke cloak. I slammed into him, giving him quite a bounce as my guns switched to phased plasma and I started to line up for another bump.

He made it easy for me and launced a missile volley at me.

"Drake aggressed guys, this is gonna take a while to kill, come get him" I said.

I turned off MWD to alleviate some of the damage his missiles were doing and settled into a close orbit. His red box went yellow and I announced him deaggressing... until he started shooting my Warrior IIs. Bastard got one of them before I pulled them in.

Gang started jumping into local and the Drake melted quickly with the extra DPS. I probably held onto him for a good five minutes :)

In AL8, same story this time with a Rifter. Jumped in, he was 15km off. Immediately went for tackle, somehow got it and he aggressed. Hard to hit with the transversal, I got a wrecking shot on him and he went from healthy to dead in a flash. Boom.

On the way home we found a TEST gang, which ran as fast as they could and docked up in Y-2. I only managed to snag this slow Scimitar, while one of our Dramiels tried to solo tackle a Vagabond and got popped.

Great first alliance roam, and it was fun to be the happy-go-loving scout for once. I finally felt that "Could Have Taken It Solo" mentality Easley is always talking about. That Geddon did the trick for me.

Talked a lot with the -A- guys and got some good vibes, look forward to doing it again.

That is all.

The Shifting Politics

EVE has never been a game of constants, day to day and month to month alliance boundaries change and empires rise and are destroyed. Like sands in a desert, the shapes of the dunes can change in the blink of an eye.

IT has fallen-Delve is empty. PL is dropping targets of opportunity with no intention of holding sov. The NC "Incursion" has fallen short of Delve as momentum fails and the Geminate campaign was blasted wide open yesterday by bad decision making by NC FCs that resulted in a new record of titan deaths.

As groundbreaking as this supercap battle was, perhaps the biggest surprise was the apathy of Goonswarm towards the whole affair. For an alliance that had NC supers form the backbone of almost every major conflict in the Fountain Campaign, the "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" fell a bit short yesterday as NC supers jumped into the unknown, finding themselves in low sec instead of 0.0 and outmatched by supercarriers from Raiiden and DRF.

The one constant in the shifting sands in our EVE has been the NC. Due to a Wal Mart style expansionist policy, what they lack in participation, experience and FCing they make up for with massive numbers. This cohesion has been fractured at times as smaller entities fall away, but the large alliances have maintained their allegiance and show no signs of letting up.

This changed when NC let a wolf in.

Goonswarm, fractured and broken after a miserable loss of sov and suffering from the dog eat dog mentality of Syndicate, found safe haven in Deklein under the tender care of Mostly Harmless.

That didn't last long.

Goonswarm grew exponentially, taking in their own apprentice, TEST. Together they gained the allegiance of other alliances in the region, noticeably Fatal Ascension and Wildly Innapropriate. They dubbed themselves the "Deklein Coalition" and started their campaign southwards. With infighting in IT alliance and inactive leadership the DC found themselves in a position to steamroll. With huge numbers and help from their friends in the NC fielding supercaps they routed the fractured remnants of IT.

Then we get to yesterday-a planned, Haargoth like drop of sov by Rebellion and the ensuing DRF offensive. A routine clearing of towers in Uemon by the NC turned into a massive battle as NC capitals were dropped by a supercarrier heavy DRF fleet. Reinforcements were rushed in, unaware they were jumping into low-sec. Lossmails show DDs and bridges fitted.

(7:07:57 PM) rawr-mv-traderjohn: where is goons?
(7:08:04 PM) ctlq-qsuc-junior-svk: goons laughing on us atm
(7:08:06 PM) condi-magel-bring-stabity: why would we be there?
(7:08:10 PM) rawr-hirr-kula-kain: i was trying to tell u guys yesterday not to wallop into here with supers etc and u ran right into low sec with them into a system based right between both thier main highways into geminate..
(7:08:14 PM) rawr-mv-traderjohn: oooooooooooooooook
(7:08:15 PM) rawr-hirr-kula-kain: goons not coming m8
(7:08:19 PM) wi-sh0k-ironwulf: WTS Erebus and some nyxes
(7:08:19 PM) rawr-hirr-kula-kain: we asked like 20 times
(7:08:23 PM) rawr-mv-traderjohn: i guess we wont be helping goons again
(7:08:33 PM) sma-expcs-1337fknthor: holly shit I loaded grid
(7:08:36 PM) wi-sh0k-gataga: goons bff with ruskies and friends
(7:08:46 PM) condi-magel-bring-stabity: we don't go near nync
(7:09:15 PM) hoo-gnaarzuk: *cough* rage reset gewns nauu *cough*

This rift between the NC and the so called Deklein Coalition breakaway, already stressed, will certainly come into question after the events of yesterday.

The real question is whether or not the biggest NAP in EVE really want to liven things up. Or if Goons feel strong enough to pull away from the teat that suckled them back to health.

Personally, I wouldn't bank on it.

Big Fight In Geminate

Drone Russians vs NC

Summed up with one awesome gif stolen from Kugus

MVN's Future

Due to the upheavals in IT, MVN has moved to Curse and been refreshing the mechanics of small gang and solo pvp.

Needless to say, its been rocky. People are realizing that there are competent PVPers out there, who live for the small gang action. This is a stark difference from the fighting we did in Fountain. In Fountain we were fighting TEST and Goons, who are generally not quite as attuned to high end pvp as Curse locals, and small gang action wasn't as important.

After some discussion and debating about where to head, we decided that -MVN- would join -A-
Avi, our CEO, had some contacts within -A- who were in touch with us during the last couple of weeks. We have respect for -A-, who fought hard while getting blasted by multiple entities and took their space back when PL and IT left Catch. Despite some political rifts between IT and -A-, MVN hasn't ever been much for politics, we just shoot things.

-A- has a notoriously weak USTZ. Cascade Imminent has been somewhat of a stopgap measure, but reaching out to -MVN- was a solid effort to bolster that weak link. I personally look forward to working with Manny again-being enemies just didn't seem right.

We aren't burning any bridges directly, but most of the -MVN- directors are happy to leave. I've been pretty straightforward in this blog describing the lack of cohesiveness in the IT leadership, and -MVN- was never really considered in many of the decisions despite our extreme performance and effort. In my talks with -A- USTZ leaders I felt like like we had much more in common and communication was a definite plus.

STK Scientific, who had plans to move in with -MVN- in Curse, were divided as we spoke with their leadership. The corp has many inactives-especially in leadership. Ice3 was one of the main active directors and was exhausted with all the work he had to do just to keep the corp running. Combined with losing their space right after joining-the idea of trying to forge ahead on their own was not a pleasant one.

He proposed the idea of a merger, and was not met with welcome responses. So Ice3 joined us-and many of his active PVPers followed. At this point the STK leadership is looking at various options, but I am happy to see many of the active pvpers that were in -MVN- run gangs now a part of our corp.

As we have gained good members from STK and various other IT corps that are falling off, we have lost some of our less active or pvp oriented members.

Works for me.
-MVN- will NOT be active in the campaign against Querious/Delve/Period Basis as of this time. Part of our conditions of joining were that we will not be deploying to slap our former alliance mates in the face. That being said, if members want to roam or participate they are certainly welcome to. Maybe even catch an RKK ratting carrier :-)
This move will allow us to continue to make money while giving easy access to Curse and Providence for pvp. I'm excited for this new stage in -MVN-, and happy the solid pvpers from STK are along for the ride.

Moving Out

A couple days ago MVN moved out from NJU constellation in Delve. There just wasn't any point in staying. We are still in IT alliance and plan on shooting the future residents of Delve whenever the NC get around to invading.

I hear lots of splurging from NC grunts about how PL hasn't done anything and the glorious victory. I suppose its good for them, but the bottom line is IT self destructed and the process had already started before the first system (J5A) fell.

In reality the PL presence in Pure Blind was noticeable-less opposition and fewer large gangs as moving inbetween regions (even with the ridiculous JB network the NC has) hurts participation. We knew this from experience during the end of the Catch campaign when the NC had started invading Fountain.

Internal politics in IT had been very complex for quite some time-during the Catch campaign the shift of power for deployments fell more onto the CEOs rather than the actual FCs. A mistake in my opinion, and that opinion was shared by X13 and Finfleet. The reason? They had a high quantity of FCs in the alliance and this shifted the powerbase away from them and also started the confusion of where the powerbase in IT truly lay.

In real world politics we see the same kind of dischord-Washington DC vs the actual military forces on the ground. In IT it meant that the actual get er doners were no longer making a lot of the calls and this was a mistake.

X13 and Finfleet stood on one side while RKK and BNC stood on the other. Most of the USTZ corps assumed no side and instead stayed neutral. This lasted for several months up until X13/Finfleet split off from IT. During those few months X13 and Finfleet refused to deploy to help Fountain, which in turn alienated the SUITS corp who lived in Fountain. The departure of DARK also had somewhat to do with the refusal of IT to come help along with some internal drama that had been ongoing for far longer than the X13 and Finfleet variety.

Before Finfleet and X13 left they made a list of demands that were quite exceptional, MVN was in full agreement with many of them. The gist was that the decisions during wartime should be made by the FCs and that corps needed to stop mass recruiting garbage into the alliance. MVN had already been following these principles. The only demand that made the whole list fruitless was that Argentina step down from CEO of RKK. The corp of RKK is the only entity that should decide their CEO and this demand was unreasonable no matter how much head butting they had done in the CEO forums.

So IT sided with RKK and off went X13 and Finfleet and many guys that I had flown with. RKK was still around and sort of helping with fleets. But it was the wrong decision to let x123/Finfleet go and not look to evolve as an alliance. As soon as X13 and Finfleet left DICE immediately recalled everyone to Delve in what was originally thought to be a knee-jerk reaction. MVN got all capital and supercapital assets out of Delve at this time but maintained sub capitals to continue the fight. STK and SUITS along with NEXE and the null sec piece of Anzac stayed with us to fight. BPINC joined IT at this time and also fought hard during the outnumbered USTZ.

Turns out DICE went back home to cover for their last titan build with intentions to screw off and leave IT. No one suspected it but when the news hit it wasn't too surprising. The real blow was when BNC decided to bail and leave IT for NCdot. Sad considering the whole alliance showed up to help DICE with their CSAA in C3N and half the corps couldn't be bothered to save SUITS whole home constellation. Selfish and self interested to the end-the way an alliance should work... right?

Funny story-the day that BNC had a giant (more people than we had seen in a long time) meeting on TS we got a feed of it and found out all about BNCs intentions to leave and form a new corp. As the meeting adjourned and the cynos were lit and BNC started moving to Yong we spammed alliance chat with "bye BNC". Bitzan (a director in MVN) and other officers (including me) were furious that BNC would bail like they did. Bitzan suggested we hot drop their main ts channel-so we did. We all dropped in and said our goodbyes. This prompted Sort Dragon to start banning from TS. His excuse? "We were moving titans". Maybe its just MVN but we generally move supercaps in a password protected op channel not our main ts lol.

With everyone leaving MVN and the other remaining USTZ corps did what we did best. Kill things. But sov warfare went out the window in Fountain and hit and run engagements are all that we could manage.

Then the word came out that IT would cease to function as a cohesive unit on the 10th. We discussed our intentions with other corps and decided we were going to make Delve difficult to move around in, with cloaky hit and run gangs.

But the invasion never came, and still hasn't. To be honest I should have expected this. With a barely functioning alliance in IT it still took the NC forever to grind through Fountain. Only now when no one gives a shit are they actually rolling Fountain. After months of sov warfare I doubt they are that excited to roll Delve as well even though the gates are wide open. Yesterday the first SBU in our old constellation was dropped by Wrecking shots, a corp that used to be a pet of MVN and then went to Mostly Harmless. We laughed in command and thats about it. Its only a matter of time before the land grab begins but in the mean time MVN is moving out to go find pew pew elsewhere. We have our options and we have our plans, and I wish all my friends in IT regardless of their corp goodwill. We are allies until the IT ticker drops.

That is all.

The Beginning of the End is the Beginning

IT Alliance is pretty much done-as it stands today.

Most of the old school corps (regardless of actual participation) have left.

The corps still actively fighting are under no illusions that we have lost. I wish we could say we lost in glorious battle but instead I have to concede that we lost to infighting and backstabbing combined with inactive leadership.

-A- at least put up a fight for their home space-we fought for Fountain and had people bail out instead of fighting. I think X13 and Finfleet leaving was a horrible idea given their ideals and what they wanted. Had they not demanded things from RKK I would even have sided with them. I think the biggest blow was when BNC decided to bail on everyone else. The "leader" of ITs FCs up and bailed creating a new corporation. I say leader with some amount of disdain as comparisons to Bobby Atlas could be made during the final months; loggin on and chewing people out and then going inactive for a day or two before rinse repeat.

I'll never forget his last words "well mate you got what you wanted mate now you can be supreme commander". I simply responded that I never wanted nor want to run all the forces. I believe that needs to be a crossover between CEO and FC-definately not me. But we needed someone more active and more realistic, and never got it.

After telling INIT to come help us, as they are moving their assets-the person who made that decision and was in channels with our allies bails. Its funny because this story was repeated for months. Old timers in positions bailing out and no one allowed to replace them. So in one last act of snubbing, we shafted our best allies in INIT and for that I feel terrible. This, after not helping Null Secunda to defend their space in Querious aside from one fleet I led which was outmanned and outgunned with the same corps helping as every other night.

Now we have rumours of CEOs trying to sell space, etc. and I ask myself, what the hell? What happened to going down with a fight? The only people I have seen active in USTZ aside from MVN is STK, NEXE BPINC and some random EVOL members who won't join other people's gangs. SUITS was flying with us frequently up until we lost all their space due to apathy at the alliance level. Last nights gang someone said "we're missing Isabella" :( Anzac has been shooting lots of stuff in low sec and I get one sometimes two people to join fleets.

Will be interesting to see how the land rush goes.

After my last post which wasn't 100% pro-IT I got some serious flack. Easley Thames recently wrote this post on his blog http://couldhavetakenitsolo.wordpress.com/ and the forums erupted with critics and fans alike as well.

MVN will be fine-we always have different plans, but it feels pretty lame going out like this.

EVE News 24

Easley Thames of "Could Have Taken It Solo" is now a writer at EVE News24

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/02/07/easly-thames-sensitive-dependence-on-initial-conditions/

Thank you Czech and Riverini, objectivity is a great thing!

PS

I'm an avid writer too :)