H-W-The Real Story

For everyone that remembers H-W, the battle that fractured the "southern coalition" and turned it into a disaster.

Compare these logs to the rushed and awkward plan that was actually implemented. 6VDT was a success for the NC in operational implementation. It failed in that IT already had most of its assets out, it succeeded in that they managed to lock down the system 23/7 for several days. Thats how H-W was supposed to jave been... but it was rushed and everyone knows the results. Here are logs from North Command, where it was originally discussed.

[ 2010.05.07 06:46:50 ] paik > honestly I want us all to take every super we have drop it in H-W
[ 2010.05.07 06:46:55 ] paik > SBU that shit
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:04 ] paik > and beg NC to do something
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:09 ] Perseus Kallistratos > agree
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:17 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and camp system 23/7
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:38 ] paik > go in surprise
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:45 ] paik > take out some small towers
[ 2010.05.07 06:47:55 ] paik > get stagers up for each alliance
[ 2010.05.07 06:48:01 ] paik > drop SBUS
[ 2010.05.07 06:48:12 ] paik > camp the fuck out of the station 23/7
[ 2010.05.07 06:48:39 ] paik > we wanna get some shit done we just gotta go balls deep
[ 2010.05.07 06:49:22 ] paik > thats my thoughts at least
[ 2010.05.07 06:51:34 ] Kraken Kill > a cta soon
[ 2010.05.07 06:51:41 ] paik > 1.5 hours
[ 2010.05.07 06:51:57 ] paik > Teimo    Planet: 10Moon: 1    D:2010-05-07T:09:16:00
[ 2010.05.07 06:52:07 ] Kraken Kill > atlas mail is for 0830
[ 2010.05.07 06:52:13 ] paik > same
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:15 ] Perseus Kallistratos > well paik
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if thats how you wanna roll I'm in
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:31 ] Perseus Kallistratos > alhtough I ain't a big boss I'm just a small fish
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:38 ] paik > I think thats how we gotta do it
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:39 ] Perseus Kallistratos > but it makes sense
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:48 ] Kraken Kill > a big old counter hotdrop?
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we fill up system, camp the fuck outta undock... anyone undocking can't even load before we smoke their shit
[ 2010.05.07 06:55:59 ] paik > we've all been pussyfooting around so far
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:04 ] Soho Torres > i dont see us campin h-w lol
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:10 ] Soho Torres > wont happen
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:15 ] Kraken Kill > camping is boring
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:19 ] Kraken Kill > setup a counter hotdrop
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:19 ] Soho Torres > thier number still to stront
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:26 ] Soho Torres > strong
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:33 ] Perseus Kallistratos > load up system to the point anyone extra can't get in
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:42 ] paik > soho we drop in 70 titans and 100 supercarriers + all the other shit we can field and GAME OVER
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:44 ] Soho Torres > "all u have to do
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:45 ] Soho Torres > is get
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:50 ] Soho Torres > lol
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > it would be the kinda rally morale booster that we have been lacking
[ 2010.05.07 06:56:54 ] Soho Torres > game over for one day
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:04 ] Soho Torres > u wont pull that for 3 station rf timers
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:06 ] paik > game over every day we do it
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:12 ] Soho Torres > lol
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:13 ] Soho Torres > ok
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:14 ] Perseus Kallistratos > atlast did it to RA constantly
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:24 ] Perseus Kallistratos > when we took insmother
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:26 ] Chemicals > yeah we used to do it all the tiem
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:32 ] Soho Torres > this is not ra
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:39 ] Perseus Kallistratos > its worse
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:41 ] Soho Torres > this is the nc of shit tons of alliances and numbers
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:47 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they have kula kain
[ 2010.05.07 06:57:59 ] Chemicals > if only we could just murder them in every system period at once
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:00 ] paik > well the ADHD people will just have to take some ridilin and not get distracted
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:02 ] Soho Torres > u guys not bein seriouse...
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:13 ] Perseus Kallistratos > soho look at current mechanics
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:20 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if we load up 500-600 in system
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:26 ] Perseus Kallistratos > any fleet trying to load it is fucked
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:51 ] Soho Torres > they will already be in sys lol
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:52 ] paik > we take 1-2 major symbols from them and the momentum swings are way
[ 2010.05.07 06:58:57 ] Soho Torres > u wont keep 500 people in sys
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:03 ] Perseus Kallistratos > why not?
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:05 ] paik > why not?
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:11 ] Soho Torres > it wont happen
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:13 ] paik > AAA kept 350 in d-g
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:15 ] Soho Torres > u can try
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:26 ] Soho Torres > but will make us look stupid
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:26 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if you give the troops a flag
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:29 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they will rally
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:37 ] Perseus Kallistratos > right now its fucking depressing
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:38 ] paik > we already look stupid
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:43 ] Soho Torres > well
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:53 ] Soho Torres > if we were all in smae place
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:58 ] paik > we got 20k guys up here and can barely break sov in a side system
[ 2010.05.07 06:59:58 ] Soho Torres > and formed properly
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:00 ] Perseus Kallistratos > I mean I love taking ceptor gangs in there and screwing with them, but thats all we're doing
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:02 ] Soho Torres > would have killed nc gang tonight
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:18 ] Soho Torres > "we dont work together"
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:24 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we could
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:25 ] Soho Torres > liek nc does
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:32 ] Perseus Kallistratos > camping a system to shit doesn't take a lot of effort
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:39 ] Soho Torres > everyone has thier own fc own gangs
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:46 ] Soho Torres > own objectives
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:50 ] paik > and if we did we would use our strengths " OUR EPIC AMOUNT OF SUPERS"
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:52 ] Perseus Kallistratos > thats a single bojective
[ 2010.05.07 07:00:56 ] Perseus Kallistratos > hold system
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:01 ] Perseus Kallistratos > keep people logged on as long as possible
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:03 ] Soho Torres > well
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:04 ] Soho Torres > i know
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:09 ] Soho Torres > if we ahve 15 tits
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:11 ] Soho Torres > in fio1
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:14 ] Soho Torres > already loaded
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:18 ] Soho Torres > they wouldnt do shit
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > Soho = Negative Nancy
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:24 ] paik > and go drop 70 tits etc into a system and be like " Yo NC warpin and lose 150 bil in the first 30 secs"
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:27 ] Soho Torres > no
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:37 ] Soho Torres > i am doin what we have been capible of
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:49 ] Perseus Kallistratos > you have crap numbers soho. you and I both know it.
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:51 ] Soho Torres > we wont get 70 tits lol
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:52 ] paik > im not jabbin at anyone
[ 2010.05.07 07:01:53 ] Perseus Kallistratos > not because you are bad
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:00 ] Perseus Kallistratos > because people are not loggin in as much
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:06 ] Soho Torres > i have bad numbers?
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:11 ] paik > soho AAA has 25 in aunennen by itself
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:14 ] Perseus Kallistratos > for multi alliance gang we have bad numbers
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:26 ] Soho Torres > my corp always has 100% in gang i dont lead russian gangs cant speak russian
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:26 ] Perseus Kallistratos > USTZ isn't as horrendous as people make it out to be
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > I'm not insulting your corp bro
[ 2010.05.07 07:02:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > i'm saying IT -A- Atlas Init... all have a slow decline especialy in USTZ
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:09 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we got our shit handed to us using bad tactics early in the war
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:23 ] Soho Torres > well people can sit in here bragging what they want to do and think they can do
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:26 ] Soho Torres > instead
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:38 ] Soho Torres > start out by everyone moveing to one place
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:45 ] Kraken Kill > anyway
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:47 ] Soho Torres > then we can talk about what we can do
[ 2010.05.07 07:03:51 ] Kraken Kill > so whats the plan and objective
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:00 ] Kraken Kill > we all staging close to each other now
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:05 ] Soho Torres > get everyone to one place
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:09 ] Soho Torres > not close enough
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:13 ] Soho Torres > u in low sec
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:19 ] Soho Torres > liek 16 jumps from x-7
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:23 ] Kraken Kill > which place do you want us to stage
[ 2010.05.07 07:04:31 ] Soho Torres > x-7 roir or 5zxx
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:04 ] Kraken Kill > what happens when we get there
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:24 ] Kraken Kill > whats the objective
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:26 ] Soho Torres > we start by sbuing something like p-2
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:34 ] Soho Torres > see what we can do
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:43 ] Soho Torres > hot drop tjhier caps
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:46 ] Soho Torres > liek they have been doin
[ 2010.05.07 07:05:55 ] Soho Torres > after that goes by what happends
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:13 ] Perseus Kallistratos > u missed Paik's and my point
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:19 ] Soho Torres > every day / night been hotdroping 5-10 tits
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:27 ] Soho Torres > we not been doin anythign about it
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:42 ] Kraken Kill > we could form up dictors and supercaps one night then
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:46 ] Kraken Kill > try to hide them somewhere
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:48 ] Chemicals > I'd like to kill those tits personally
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > people here "we taking H-W massive fleet stay logged in" people log on, stay on, drink red bul etc.
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:52 ] Chemicals > we can decap their supercaps
[ 2010.05.07 07:06:55 ] Chemicals > = wintown
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:02 ] Soho Torres > u not goin to hide them
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:07 ] Soho Torres > i think we have more spies then
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:09 ] Soho Torres > nc does
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:15 ] Kraken Kill > how do we do a hotdrop on their tits then
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > you here yeah we have a CTA this time this night, people go meh, I may be able to do this but I might ahe to walk the dog
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:21 ] Kraken Kill > they wont drop if we have something formed
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:22 ] Chemicals > just fucking kill them
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:25 ] Soho Torres > egven if we cant hotdrop them
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:29 ] Soho Torres > make sure they cant use them
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:35 ] Soho Torres > liek tonight
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:39 ] Chemicals > go for the jugular and stop playing sissy pants bond games
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > soho. if we have system loaded they can't drop titans for fear of losing them
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:50 ] Chemicals > if they cant take our our superblob it doesnt make a difference.
[ 2010.05.07 07:07:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > thats the point
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:00 ] Chemicals > if they know where it is
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:02 ] Chemicals > or not
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:07 ] Darth Dread > im glad most of the posters here have nothing to say:P
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:13 ] Soho Torres > thats what i just dsaid
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:26 ] Perseus Kallistratos > you keep massive fleet in system you already win
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:40 ] Perseus Kallistratos > any counter offensive will fail, due to Dominion mechanics
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:44 ] Chemicals > Big penis > many small penises
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:45 ] Soho Torres > thats what this retarted game is about
[ 2010.05.07 07:08:54 ] Perseus Kallistratos > people will rally to this game due to the epic nature of the op
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:07 ] Perseus Kallistratos > rather than another damn pos shoot they may or may not make
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:27 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we need a moral vicotry now more than ever after losing the 5ZG station battle by 5 min
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:39 ] Kraken Kill > so p-2 then
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:41 ] Kraken Kill > when
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:53 ] Soho Torres > well
[ 2010.05.07 07:09:55 ] Chemicals > http://img43.imageshack.us/i/titantokill1.jpg/
[ 2010.05.07 07:10:00 ] Soho Torres > u dont even know if u can move here yet lol
[ 2010.05.07 07:10:10 ] Kraken Kill > we are in aunenen
[ 2010.05.07 07:10:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > why P-2?
[ 2010.05.07 07:11:35 ] Perseus Kallistratos > I'm not disagreeing just curious
[ 2010.05.07 07:11:42 ] Soho Torres > easy to take
[ 2010.05.07 07:11:54 ] Kraken Kill > we can bridge to x-7 from aunenen anytime
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:07 ] Soho Torres > yea but if we form
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:07 ] Kraken Kill > so i cant see it being an issue not being in x-7, we are in range for tits here
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:14 ] Soho Torres > and some of u die
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:17 ] Soho Torres > u need to get on tit
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:19 ] Soho Torres > and u need cyno
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:22 ] Soho Torres > and all that shit
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:32 ] Kraken Kill > cynos shouldnt be an issue
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:45 ] Soho Torres > lol nvm not seeing my point
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:49 ] paik > Cry Havoc = 20 supers
[ 2010.05.07 07:12:55 ] paik > Evoke 20
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:00 ] paik > AAA 50
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:03 ] paik > IT 50
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:06 ] paik > ROL 30
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:10 ] paik > Atlas 50
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:18 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ^^
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:19 ] paik > INIT 20
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:21 ] paik > COW 20
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:31 ] paik > Dead Terrorist 20
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:36 ] paik > White Noise 30
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:41 ] paik > CO2 10
[ 2010.05.07 07:13:52 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if we stay loaded, call in sick to work, drink red bull, euros stay on late USTZ stays on late because they all hear " we are gonna fuckin take this fuckin station system fuck yeah" your numbers will magically grow
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:12 ] paik > it dont matter the first day is the hardest
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:13 ] Darth Dread > did fio went badly?
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:24 ] paik > hub rf'd
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:27 ] paik > sbu dead
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:31 ] paik > station repped
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:42 ] paik > they brought caps we couldnt counter
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:43 ] Darth Dread > when does hub comes out?
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:51 ] Kraken Kill > pick a day and a time for P-2, give a few days notice
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:56 ] Darth Dread > if hub dies the tcu dies too:P
[ 2010.05.07 07:14:59 ] Perseus Kallistratos > keep it hush hush though
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:00 ] Kraken Kill > and we can see what caps and sup caps we can get
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:06 ] Perseus Kallistratos > until D-Day
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:06 ] Kraken Kill > and we all get them into system and stay there
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:11 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ^^
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:20 ] paik > fuckin Burn Eden has 15 supers and they want to use them
[ 2010.05.07 07:15:49 ] paik > Satan said if we go balls deep in h-w or elsewhere he will toss his supers into the pot
[ 2010.05.07 07:16:35 ] Perseus Kallistratos > well
[ 2010.05.07 07:16:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > any station vicotry would be a good one
[ 2010.05.07 07:16:49 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and keep this war moving
[ 2010.05.07 07:16:56 ] paik > imo this is how I would play it
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:03 ] paik > take a friday
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:12 ] Perseus Kallistratos > it makes for a make or break situation
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:21 ] paik > send a BS fleet to m-o to incap jammer
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:25 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and lets be honest. what do the NC FCs count on more than anything?
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:36 ] Perseus Kallistratos > numbers
[ 2010.05.07 07:17:54 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if you take that away by being in the system first... you will see them lose entire fleets on jump in
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:07 ] paik > Somene please tell me the last time they lost a even numbered fight against the NC?
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:20 ] Perseus Kallistratos > /emote thinks...
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:22 ] paik > anyone?
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:26 ] paik > anyone?
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:30 ] paik > Buehler?
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:42 ] Chemicals > I cannot recall ever losing to the nc
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:48 ] Darth Dread > atlas
[ 2010.05.07 07:18:55 ] Darth Dread > not loading:P
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:00 ] Perseus Kallistratos > exactly
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:08 ] paik > so a D-Day attack
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:09 ] Chemicals > just going flacid and losing interest however.
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:14 ] Darth Dread > i blame booby
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:17 ] paik > take down offline place holders
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:23 ] paik > get some stagers up
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:23 ] Perseus Kallistratos > Kula Kain will try and jump in a fleet and then curse CCP out over comms for an hour after he loses them all
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:45 ] paik > drop SBUs
[ 2010.05.07 07:19:58 ] paik > nuke bridges & jammer so they cant put it up
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:15 ] paik > like 100 bubble station
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > the moment that first cyno pops and you know their caps/supercaps are coming in you get there and throw everything on it.
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:37 ] Perseus Kallistratos > you may lose a few but you rape it
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:43 ] paik > ^^ Balls Deep
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:53 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they scratch their heads for a day
[ 2010.05.07 07:20:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > try again
[ 2010.05.07 07:21:00 ] Perseus Kallistratos > die...
[ 2010.05.07 07:21:12 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and our guys are pumped to hell at this point and are logging in every spare second of the day
[ 2010.05.07 07:21:21 ] paik > sit titans in a closed room in TS
[ 2010.05.07 07:21:32 ] paik > ready to login trap anytime they try to do something
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:06 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ^^ balls fuckin deep
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:15 ] paik > I just think fuck it
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:17 ] Perseus Kallistratos > what is the worse that happens? we lose?
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:18 ] paik > its a game
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:29 ] paik > we came up here to beat these bitches up
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:29 ] Perseus Kallistratos > how can we lose?
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:37 ] paik > so why pussy foot
[ 2010.05.07 07:22:48 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we have superior FCs, we have superior compositions and we have superior pilots (average)
[ 2010.05.07 07:23:23 ] Perseus Kallistratos > with superior tactics ie owning the system before the engagement, we can do it
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:07 ] Kraken Kill > continue to rape lowsec techs and keep hitting other techs
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:16 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ?
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:19 ] Kraken Kill > plan a massive capital CTA for next weekend
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:23 ] Perseus Kallistratos > :)
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:32 ] Kraken Kill > and get as many supercaps in a system like p-2 or whereever
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:35 ] Kraken Kill > and sbu
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:44 ] paik > we will be here for the next 3 years trying to take all the NC's tech moons
[ 2010.05.07 07:24:57 ] paik > we arent gonna break the NC by them losing moons
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:03 ] Perseus Kallistratos > with that kind of prep and the knowledge that the NC has gotten (too) ballsy with their Supercap fleets you can count on some early supercap kills
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:04 ] Kraken Kill > hitting their tech is more effective than sbuing
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:06 ] paik > they got isk coming out there asss
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:28 ] Perseus Kallistratos > moons are fine, but they don't give your troops a moral victory
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:39 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and remember, this is a game and its supposed to be fun and make you happy
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:52 ] Kraken Kill > sbuing is fun?
[ 2010.05.07 07:25:58 ] Perseus Kallistratos > hitting a mooon you have taken 3x before is boring as shit to those that can't see the overall picture
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:14 ] Perseus Kallistratos > sbuing isn't fun in and of itself, but taking a station and owning it is a good thing
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:28 ] Kraken Kill > comunicate better to the 'troops' why you are hitting tech moons then
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:30 ] paik > MM & RZR arent PL or GOons
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:32 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and the kills you would get from dumbass fleet jump ins and caps are sexy
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:42 ] paik > they arent gonna cascade by losing moons
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:52 ] Perseus Kallistratos > [07:26:28] Kraken Kill > comunicate better to the 'troops' why you are hitting tech moons then
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:52 ] paik > to the avg member they dont mean shit
[ 2010.05.07 07:26:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they don't give a shit
[ 2010.05.07 07:27:02 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they are hear to have fun and play
[ 2010.05.07 07:27:08 ] Perseus Kallistratos > the moment that leaves... bad things happen
[ 2010.05.07 07:27:37 ] paik > as faggy as it sounds
[ 2010.05.07 07:27:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > i don't like it, but its a psychological thing
[ 2010.05.07 07:27:56 ] paik > we have to blob the NC a few times and take there sense of security
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:04 ] paik > and then accomplish something with said blob
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:14 ] paik > like taking a iconic system like h-w
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:17 ] Perseus Kallistratos > agreed
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:28 ] Kraken Kill > why havent you been able to take it so far
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:30 ] Chemicals > well I'm down with whatever
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:34 ] Perseus Kallistratos > NC are easily swayed psychologically. unfortunately... that has swung their why so far
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:43 ] Perseus Kallistratos > way*
[ 2010.05.07 07:28:55 ] Darth Dread > i wouldnt start with h-w straight
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:01 ] paik > Why Kraken because this multi-front shit isnt working
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:11 ] Darth Dread > just find a target for them to move out of tribute first
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:15 ] Darth Dread > take that
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:27 ] Perseus Kallistratos > P-2 would be a good start
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:28 ] paik > I think H-W is where the action is
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:29 ] Darth Dread > work on communications first on our site
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:47 ] Perseus Kallistratos > H-w would be awesome but P-2 is a practical way to start
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:49 ] paik > ok I can buy that
[ 2010.05.07 07:29:53 ] Darth Dread > they got 1000 basing out of that system
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:01 ] Darth Dread > with replacement ships
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:05 ] Darth Dread > if we lose a ship
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:13 ] Perseus Kallistratos > P-2 gives access, and has a station
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:13 ] Darth Dread > our ppl need move back replace it:P
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:14 ] paik > yeah and if those 1000 are bubbled in station
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:28 ] Darth Dread > the questio is
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:30 ] paik > or there caps
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:31 ] Perseus Kallistratos > also a good point
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:37 ] Darth Dread > can we keep them bubbled 7days?
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:39 ] Perseus Kallistratos > similar to NOL when goons dropped sov
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:43 ] paik > anyone remember PR-
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:50 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ^^
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:52 ] Darth Dread > u need for each allies 1tower minimum
[ 2010.05.07 07:30:57 ] paik > when your caps were stuck in station
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:02 ] Darth Dread > h-w has 100% moon covert i think
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:08 ] paik > and you couldnt do fuck all
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:21 ] paik > tons of offline small place holders
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:26 ] Perseus Kallistratos > yup
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:28 ] paik > if we went in D-DAY style
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > all capital alts in system
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:45 ] paik > we could rage siege a ton before they got em online
[ 2010.05.07 07:31:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > all bs alts in system as well
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:00 ] paik > enough for us all to put a dickstar up for staging
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:06 ] paik > and everytime they try to RF
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:11 ] paik > we do what PL did
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:21 ] paik > poke titans out and DD the shit out of them
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:28 ] Perseus Kallistratos > well... tbh
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:40 ] Perseus Kallistratos > if we do it right with numbers... brining in a fleet would be suicide for them
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:50 ] paik > yup
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:55 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we see cyno and like rabid dogs we go get it
[ 2010.05.07 07:32:58 ] paik > they would never make it out of station
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:12 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they see black screen we see targets
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:17 ] Perseus Kallistratos > Y-2ANO baby
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:30 ] Kraken Kill > pick a day and time
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:33 ] Kraken Kill > post cta mails
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:35 ] paik > and we got enough people on there comms to know when they are trying to break out
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:42 ] paik > thats not something you can hide
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and we have nothing to hide after d-day
[ 2010.05.07 07:33:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > negates the spy factor
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:11 ] Perseus Kallistratos > titans in closed seperate TS room
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:16 ] Perseus Kallistratos > supercarriers too
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:23 ] paik > login traps
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:28 ] paik > etc etc
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:34 ] Perseus Kallistratos > go big or go home
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:34 ] paik > just be faggy as hell
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:55 ] Kraken Kill > pick a time and day, and ship types, and location
[ 2010.05.07 07:34:55 ] Kraken Kill > and post cta mails
[ 2010.05.07 07:35:04 ] Kraken Kill > get some towers and sbus ready
[ 2010.05.07 07:35:15 ] Kraken Kill > sat or sunday or sometime next week
[ 2010.05.07 07:35:26 ] Kraken Kill > if you want a big turnout you need a couple of days notice at least
[ 2010.05.07 07:36:16 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we need to run it by Molle then
[ 2010.05.07 07:39:22 ] paik > I would fake that were gonna hit like p2 or m-o
[ 2010.05.07 07:39:30 ] paik > or somewhere there is a jammer
[ 2010.05.07 07:39:42 ] paik > send a BS fleet in to take down the jammer
[ 2010.05.07 07:39:50 ] paik > soon as NC respond and move
[ 2010.05.07 07:39:54 ] Perseus Kallistratos > bam
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:00 ] Perseus Kallistratos > just like d-day
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:01 ] paik > wham we drop everything into H-W
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:08 ] Kraken Kill > d-day?
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:16 ] Perseus Kallistratos > false intel
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:27 ] paik > go in bubble the station
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:34 ] paik > put a team on the bridges
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:38 ] Kraken Kill > its like theres a random commentry on plans trying to make
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:51 ] paik > put another team on cleaning up stager towers
[ 2010.05.07 07:40:51 ] Perseus Kallistratos > ?
[ 2010.05.07 07:41:01 ] Perseus Kallistratos > lots smalls offline in H-W
[ 2010.05.07 07:41:03 ] paik > drop the SBUs
[ 2010.05.07 07:41:32 ] paik > every alliance will need there own tower and Atlas IT AAA will need 2
[ 2010.05.07 07:41:53 ] paik > just for the shit ton of supers we will have to fit into them
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:07 ] Perseus Kallistratos > no passwords for anyone
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:10 ] Perseus Kallistratos > def
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:38 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and most importantly
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:41 ] Kraken Kill > how many small towers are offline there
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:47 ] paik > 20+
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:49 ] Perseus Kallistratos > we need a central channel for FCs from all alliances
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:59 ] Kraken Kill > isnt this it?
[ 2010.05.07 07:42:59 ] Perseus Kallistratos > not this one, but actual comms
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:07 ] Kraken Kill > the same TS?
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:09 ] Perseus Kallistratos > at least to start
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:25 ] Kraken Kill > atlas and -a- are on the same coms
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:28 ] paik > I say we decide on it this weekend
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:35 ] Perseus Kallistratos > yes we know you use the same comm
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:47 ] paik > and then spend next week getting everyone setup for the same comms
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:50 ] Perseus Kallistratos > but we all need to be on a secure vent or something
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:56 ] Kraken Kill > oh jeez
[ 2010.05.07 07:43:56 ] paik > and launch like next friday
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:15 ] paik > that way the first ihub comes on sunday
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:21 ] Perseus Kallistratos > yes
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:37 ] Perseus Kallistratos > friday euro would probably be best
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > best numbers strongest time
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:56 ] paik > if we all rabble rabble
[ 2010.05.07 07:44:58 ] Perseus Kallistratos > red bull euros help buff ustz first night
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:04 ] paik > we will draw good numbers
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:05 ] Perseus Kallistratos > which will be the hardest
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:21 ] paik > Molle can sit his alt in the diversion system a few days before
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:31 ] Perseus Kallistratos > oh man that will do it
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:51 ] paik > plus the jammer take down
[ 2010.05.07 07:45:58 ] paik > will draw them out of h-w
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:05 ] Kraken Kill > is h-w jammed?
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:09 ] paik > nope
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:22 ] Perseus Kallistratos > P-2 can be our Pas De Calais
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:29 ] Kraken Kill > we gotta hit station services asap after we get staging pos down
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:34 ] Perseus Kallistratos > of course
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:36 ] Kraken Kill > they need to be down before the sbus come online
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:41 ] paik > if we could take h-w and then 15w we totally fuck them
[ 2010.05.07 07:46:58 ] Perseus Kallistratos > its a do or die moment
[ 2010.05.07 07:47:06 ] Perseus Kallistratos > cept we don't die... but they could
[ 2010.05.07 07:47:07 ] Kraken Kill > 3hs to take out services and enough small towers
[ 2010.05.07 07:47:46 ] paik > the moment we launch you just explain to people for the next XXX days they need to live online
[ 2010.05.07 07:48:03 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they wouldn't have the time to get formed up, specially with feint to P-2
[ 2010.05.07 07:48:14 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and much of their manpower/ships trapped in station
[ 2010.05.07 07:48:40 ] paik > as long as there dreads stay stuck in the station they are fucked
[ 2010.05.07 07:48:44 ] Perseus Kallistratos > they will try at least once to jump in caps into system... and we need to crush that one attempt
[ 2010.05.07 07:48:57 ] Perseus Kallistratos > could kille a titan or supercarrier or two
[ 2010.05.07 07:49:07 ] Perseus Kallistratos > but the vicotry will be snatching their home system
[ 2010.05.07 07:49:10 ] Perseus Kallistratos > Pr-....
[ 2010.05.07 07:49:24 ] paik > I agree
[ 2010.05.07 07:49:36 ] paik > its about the boldest thing we can do
[ 2010.05.07 07:49:48 ] Perseus Kallistratos > and the one thing they are ill prepared to counter
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:07 ] Kraken Kill > will NC form for this tower
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:13 ] Kraken Kill > this morning
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:31 ] paik > im gonna get on my alt soon to find out
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:40 ] paik > if they get numbers like last night
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:42 ] paik > its lol
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:49 ] paik > they had 25 lastnight
[ 2010.05.07 07:52:59 ] paik > to our 105
[ 2010.05.07 07:53:04 ] Perseus Kallistratos > Gentleman, I have to get some sleep. Lets speek with our respective politicians and make this move happen.